{"id":72038,"date":"2023-12-01T00:32:13","date_gmt":"2023-12-01T00:32:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.allearsenglish.com\/?p=72038"},"modified":"2023-12-01T00:32:14","modified_gmt":"2023-12-01T00:32:14","slug":"when-there-is-no-grammar-rule","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.allearsenglish.com\/when-there-is-no-grammar-rule\/","title":{"rendered":"AEE 2104: What Should You Do When There is No Grammar Rule?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Sometimes there are no grammar rules!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When this happens, you can&#8217;t possibly make a grammar mistake!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On today\u2019s episode you&#8217;ll find out the correct order for pronouns with a noun in English.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Find out what grammar to use even when there&#8217;s no grammar rule!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:46px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"2104 - What Should You Do When There is No Grammar Rule?\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/_jyjQ4A7aIQ?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:46px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-no-grammar-rules\"><strong>No grammar rules? <\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Aubrey asks Lindsay which of these sentences sounds right to her.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>#1: Adam and she went to the store.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>#2: She and Adam went to the store.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Lindsay answers that #2 sounds more natural to her.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Aubrey has the same answer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It may seem that #2 is the correct answer, but neither of the sentences is wrong.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>She found out that there is no grammar rule for this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Today\u2019s episode is inspired by a listener\u2019s grammar question.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here is the question:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:46px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Thank you for making this amazing podcast, I&#8217;m currently working in the States and have been listening to this podcast for four years. 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Could you please elaborate on this and share more examples of spoken English, which are not allowed in written English if it&#8217;s possible?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thank you so much for spending time answering the question,<\/p>\n<cite>Rosie<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:46px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Today\u2019s episode is a follow up episode.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rosie asked multiple questions and others were answered previously.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You can check the other episodes to learn more grammar tips.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here are the episodes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.allearsenglish.com\/grammar-and-politeness-go-hand-in-hand\/\">AEE 2085: How English Grammar and Politeness Go Hand in Hand<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.allearsenglish.com\/your-grammar-questions-answered\/\">AEE 2093: Her and I or Her and Me? 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